welcome to a special edition of "this week." >> tonight, our nation is in debt to the people of boston. trail of terror. >> we're exhausted, folks, but we have a victory here tonight. a city resilient. >> we're strong. we're in it together. >> a country relieved. this morning, breaking details on the investigation. we remember the victims and we ask -- >> it is a tragedy. we are shocked. >> -- who are the young men behind the carnage? >> it was a normal kid. he didn't really seem that he would harm a fly. >> what led these brothers to unspeakable violence? could it have been prevented? we get to the heart of all of those questions right now.

good morning. what an extraordinary week it has been. secretary of state kerry called it a direct confrontation with evil. met with heroism and resolve. now, so many questions about what motivated these marathon bombings and how america should confront the changing trend of terrorism? but let's get latest on the surviving suspect and on what comes next in the investigation from abc's senior correspondent pierre thomas in washington. pierre, dzhokhar tsarnaev is in serious condition, and in no shape to be questioned. >> my sources are telling me that the suspect has a wound to the throat and neck area, that's made it very difficult to speak. he apparently knows police killed his brother, but that special interrogation team is standing by, ready to go. >> and they'll ask him questions at first without reading him his

miranda rights. when do you expect charges to be filed? >> charges could come as early today. terror charges that could bring the death penalty. he won't be read his miranda rights. they're going to use the public safety can exception. they're taking this extraordinary step because there could be an imminent threat still out there. i just got off the phone, george, with a senior law enforcement, of deep concern of ammunition, guns and working bombs these men had. they were so disciplined. >> any indication of another sleeper cell? >> right now, no evidence of a broader plot involving more people here, but law enforcement officials say they can't take that chance. the investigation is full tilt to find that out. >> okay, pierre, thanks very much. let's get more on this from our team of analysis from our team, dan abrams, brad garrett and richard clarke. dan, let me begin with you. the question about the

questioning of the witness, at least at first he will not be read his miranda rights. >> that's right. you heard pierre talk about this public safety exception. basically the supreme court has recognized that, in some cases, if there's the possibility of an imminent threat that you can ask limited questions without further reading someone their miranda rights and that's what they're saying here, now, down the road, will someone challenge it and say this shouldn't have happened? sure. courts may have to resolve the specifics in this case later. but there is no question that the u.s. supreme court has recognized this limited exception to reading someone their miranda rights. >> even if a suspect has been in custody for a couple of days? >> then you start getting to the questions. right? the supreme court case involving stopping a guy who had an empty holster. where is the gun? it's back there. can that little statement be admitted? the court said, yes. when you're talking two days, the questions become more

difficult whether it's legally permissible. the fbi and this administration have clearly taken the position that you're allowed to ask these type of questions, even after the fact. >> we're seeing calls from senators, instead of being tried in court, he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >> that's not going to happen for two reasons. first of all, he's a u.s. citizen, captured on u.s. soil. and the reality is, he couldn't be tried in a military tribunal. the question is, could he be questioned as a enemy combatant? possibly, he could be. but there seems no real reason to do so. since you have that miranda exception, they can ask these type of questions. that could be foolish. you could hurt the case there by declaring him an enemy combatant. >> brad garrett, what will be the nature of the questioning? what else are they doing around the suspect now? >> two main things, george, are there other bombs, bomb

components, ordnances, that are set to go off or somebody else has access to it? the second prong that's most important, are they connected to anyone else, is this a small group or a large group? if so, are they about to attack? >> there had been a report that two young men were questioned in new bedford, massachusetts. any concern about that at this point? >> not that i'm aware of, but there would be a lot of false leads. in this case. maybe loose associations to both of them, that have nothing to do with terrorism. >> lots of questions that tamerlan, the older brother, had been questioned before by the fbi, in 2011, at the request of the russian government. >> well, that's right. but, think about this, george, there are hundreds of thousands of young adults in this country that visit extremist islamic websites, he was one of them, so the question is, what line do you draw that we continue the investigation? or do we go and interview, make a decision on other intelligence

that were not going to pursue an active case against him? >> you're already seeing some congressmen, peter king, criticizing, saying this was a missed opportunity. >> that's great to say. but when you have literally hundreds of thousands of people you want to keep track of, you want to prioritize. they're going to miss one every once in a while. when you approach them, when you interview them or do their background, they may not have radicalized to the level of what we saw on monday. >> going to websites wouldn't be enough? >> absolutely not. >> the older brother went back to russia in 2012, was there for several months. we know that they're chechen origin. >> well, actually, george, chechens have been involved in al qaeda since the beginning of al qaeda. they were involved in fighting for al qaeda in bosnia and they were involved in fighting against the northern alliance in

afghanistan. there's a record here. how do you tell when someone gets radicalized? they're normal, happy kids in cambridge, and then something happens, a switch is flipped. how can the fbi, how can homeland security notice when that happens? when the radicalization occurs, especially when it's self-radicalization online. it's very, very difficult to do. what i want to know, what did the russians do when he went back to russia? they had already said that they were interested in him, he went back and spent six months. what did they do? did they follow him around? >> we're dealing with something of a new pattern since 9/11. attempts at terrorist attacks by people who have been in the united states for quite a long period of time who have become radicalized. not the times square bomber, had some connections overseas. but not parts of larger broader

conspiracies. >> this will probably turn out that way, self-radicalization. the issue here is, now that people have seen what two people did with easily obtained materials, closed down a city, other people around the country who have been radicalized have watched this and they're going to wonder, is there a way now that i can do this? >> to name him an enemy combatant, there would have been a specific connection to al qaeda or taliban. you can't say this person was generally a threat to america, and as a result we're going to question him as an enemy combatant. under the rule of war, for example, you have to specifically be able to link him to al qaeda. >> and to get to the point of the threat may be increasing at this point, actually over the last decade, we actually have seen a decline threat of terrorism since 2001. >> over the last decade, we have been remarkably lucky.

i don't think anyone really understand this hasn't happened many, many times. it's so easy for these people to do it. the fbi has done a good job of pretending to be al qaeda. and when they see someone has been radicalized, approaching them, pretending to be al qaeda, getting them to do something and arresting them, and that works. but that's not the only explanation, i think a lot of people believe they can't do this. that's too hard. >> let me press that for a moment. you wrote a remarkable cover story in the atlantic magazine back in 2005, where you led out what kind of threats we could be facing. attacks on casinos, malls and subways and other public areas. you're scratching your head that it hasn't happened more often. >> beside the fbi has infiltrated these groups, the potential attackers think it's too hard, which is not. and now, with this attack in boston it's been revealed that

it's not too hard. >> what do we do, brad? >> i think the reason we haven't had this level of attacks that he's suggesting is, because now you have law enforcement working so closely together. because the key in a lot of these cases may be the local or city/county police, because their informants that live in the communities may have noticed something. if they stepped forward you would have the information. i think that's what stopped a lot of attacks over the years. but the big problem is, george, the flip over to when they are actually radicalized, instead of talking about being radicalized, and doing something bad, and if you're not there, either with physical surveillance, electronic surveillance or a source, you're not going to get them. >> one final question, it does appear that the young men stayed in the area, we know that jahar went to a party on his campus at

the university of massachusetts on wednesday night, they were basically hiding in plain sight. >> that's because i believe they weren't done, they had other bombs. they didn't get caught. for two days they didn't get identified. maybe they believed that ultimately at some point they were going to die. they were going to get into a shootout with police. they're going to set off as many bombs as they can. >> you're shaking your head? >> i think that's exactly right. they did have another bomb. they threw it at the watertown police friday night. theyed a other bombs. they had other explosives. they didn't think they would get caught. >> okay, gentlemen, thanks very much. we're going back to boston, thomas me knee -- menino. but let's go the cathedral where president obama spoke earlier this week and sean o'malley. byron pitts is there. >> reporter: george, this morning, for the first time this

week, we're hearing more and more people talk about healing. part of that journey will take place here at the cathedral -- also today, the first wake for one of the victims. 29-year-old krystle campbell will be laid to rest tomorrow as her family and friends continue their grieving process. friday, boston was on lockdown. yesterday, the city came back to life. the epicenter, if you will, was fenway park, this is one of america's grand old baseball stadiums, and yesterday, it felt more like a cathedral. there was a pregame ceremony to honor the victims, survivors and first responders. also, one of the highlights during the eighth inning, neil diamond took the field to lead the crowd in his song "sweet caroline." ♪ sweet caroline ♪ good times never seemed so good ♪

>> reporter: red sox fans have been singing that song in the eighth inning of every home game since 2002. this week, diamond's song became america's song. george, during that game, there were some chicken-skinned moments. people were standing and cheering. and yes, crying. as one fan told us, quote, we can finally breathe again. >> okay, byron, thanks very much. we're joined by boston mayor tom menino, mayor, thank you so much for joining us this morning. what an extraordinary morning it has been. you have been mayor for 20 years. it actually began for you in the hospital. how are you holding up? >> george, it was a week that started with tragedy and ended up with good results. but, let me tell you, out of this whole thing, the family of victims -- the city has never come together as strong as it is today. what came out of that was people coming together. the night we made the arrest,

there were parties in the streets, all over the city, spontaneous events happening all over. what a great night it was. after five, six days. >> what more can you tell us about the investigation right now? from what you have been able to learn from your police, the fbi and other sources, do you believe that these two brothers acted alone? >> all of the information that i have is they acted alone, these two individuals, the brothers, the older brother's dead now. we have the second one at the hospital. in very serious condition. we don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual. >> when do you expect charges to be filed and do you expect him to face the death penalty? no death penalty in massachusetts. but he could face federal charges. >> i hope that the u.s. attorney carmen ortiz takes him on the

federal side and throw the book at him. these two individuals held this whole city hostage for five days. and they should not do that. that's what these terrorist events want to do, hold the city hostage. stop the economy of the city. look at what happened on friday, the whole city was on lockdown, no businesses open, no one was leaving their homes. it's about stopping the economy of america. we got to stop that. we got to move forward. we're a much stronger city than they want us to be. we'll be even better as we move forward. it frustrates me that we have these events going on in our country. americans have to wake up. we have the fear of terrorism. our lives are changed forever. >> let me ask you more about that lockdown, because some have suggested that it was an overreaction to lock down the city, are you convinced it was necessary? >> at the time the decision was made, it sure was.

i had information that there were other things going on during the decision that was made. i agree with that decision at the time, because of the information we had. at that time, we found a pipe bomb in another location in the city of boston. and another individual was taken into custody in another location. so, to bring -- to have clarity of this situation, we brought people together and said, okay, folks, please, work with us. let me tell you, boston did a great job that day. no one went on the streets. boston was in lockdown. >> let's go back to the investigation. take us behind the scenes. if you could, the turning point came on wednesday, when you came upon images of jahar reacting to the bombings. governor patrick called these images highly incriminating. what was the nature of this evidence and images? >> the fbi, these images of two

individuals walking on boylston street, that was the turning point of the investigation when they put these photos out, many people came forward with the information about these two individuals and went forward with that. they helped the fbi, the boston police, the state police, all of whom were working together to come to a conclusion in this case and really find out who these individuals were. >> you didn't have a beat on where they were on wednesday? >> no, we didn't. lot of rumors were they where. lot of chasing around at locations. until the photos were put in place, i think that's when the investigation really crystallized and the fbi and the boston police and state police were able to hone in on certain areas. >> and are you convinced now they were planning more attacks? >> i'm not convinced at all that they were playing more attacks.

that's hearsay. you know, we have to be vigilant. 9/11 changed our world. we have to make sure that we're vigilant every day. public safety officials, mayors and governors. there are individuals out there who have no -- don't care about anyone else. don't care about maiming and killing people. they just want to destroy our world. we have to be very careful about that. >> i agree with that, mayor. do you believe that these two individuals were done after they set the bombs at the marathon or do you think they were prepared to carry out more attacks themselves? >> honestly, george, i couldn't tell you. you would hope not, but you never know. they have a mindset of destruction. do they have more bombs on their possession? some stories that they did. but let me say, our public safety departments have worked so well together.

you would be proud of what happened in massachusetts this past week with the boston police, state police and the fbi working together. it was really a great thing. everyone came together. the president talked to us every day on the phone. the president came here. the governor and i worked hand in hand. i have to give the citizens of boston a lot of credit. they were vigilant. they all came out and supported us. the issue now is, how do we move forward? how do we use that goodwill and american feeling to do a better job? we started a fund in boston, the onefund.org, which is a fund to help some of the issues that arose out of this tragedy. overwhelming support. make sure we do it the right way in boston. >> america really has reached out. >> i have one more question on

the investigation, what more are you learning about these brothers, and the key question of when they might have been, you know, so many accounts, talked to so many of their classmates, they seemed like normal american kids, but at some point, they turned, became radicalized, what information have you been able to develop from it? working theory, the brother was manipulated by the older brother? >> yeah, i think the older brother was really the leader and the younger brother was brainwashed by his brother and he was just a follower, he followed his brother, his brother read those magazines published on how to create bombs, how to disrupt the public, he brainwashed his younger brother from there, what happened on marathon day, so unfortunate, you know, out of that, i think we're coming up a stronger city than we were in the past. >> i know that the marathon will run next year. going forward, what

have you learned from this incident and what kind of security measures do you think can be put in place to try to prevent something like this in the future? >> let me say, i think the boston police did a lot of things to have total security out there. but when you have crowds coming back and forth, and you know, hundreds of thousands of people out there, how do you check everybody's bag? we have many cameras. one of the things that helped this investigation is the many cameras we had in the copley square area of the marathon. one of the television station helped us. it's just how we get information back to the law enforcement officials and we have to do a thorough job of making sure prior to the event we check every trash can, everything else that's out there. it's simple work. it's tough work, but it needs to be done when you have thousands

and thousands of people coming to your city. you know what, we're not going to stop having the marathon and july 4th celebrations. because we're a stronger than these terrorists want to be. >> finally, your son, tom menino, a detective, was near the finish line, we also saw him at that memorial service on thursday, wheeling you up to the podium as well, he was a hero in this as well. >> tommy, he's my son, he did his job, and he does it every day, there are thousands of police officers who do their job every day. tommy is just one of them. but there were a lot of other folks who were heroes on that day. one of my cabinet officials were on the finish line, he helped save lives. lot of heroes that day, and we have to give them a lot of credit for saving a lot of folks' lives. every one of the individuals who was injured went to a boston

hospital that day. none of them have lost their lives. they have done a heck of a job, the health care services we have in boston. the hospitals have done spectacular in our city. >> mayor, you did a great job as well. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, george. the roundtable is coming up. as is the terrorist threat evolves, how should we adapt? what have we learned from 9/11? what should we do ahead? that debate ahead. ahead? that debate ahead. we've reduced taxes and lowered costs to save businesses more than two billion dollars to grow jobs, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years, and we're creating tax free zones for business startups. the new new york is working creating tens of thousands of new businesses, and we're just getting started. to grow or start your business visit thenewny.com

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officer, said his chief at m.i.t. he was just 26 years old. krystle was always smiling. those who knew her said, with her red hair and her freckles and her ever eager willingness to speak her mind, she was beautiful. sometimes, she can be a little noisy and everybody loved her for it. our prayers are with the lu family of china who sent their daughter lingzi to b.u. so that she could experience all that this city has to offer. and our hearts are broken for 8-year-old martin, with his big smile and bright eyes, and we're left with two enduring images of this little boy, forever smiling for his beloved bruins and forever expressing a wish he

made on a blue poster board -- "no more hurting people. peace." ce.

♪ at this time next year, on the third monday in april, the world will return to this great american city to run harder than ever and to cheer even louder for the 118th boston marathon! bet on it. >> president obama, thursday, thoughts echoed by mayor menino today. let's take more about where we go next?

with our roundtable. chief global affairs correspondent martha raddatz, richard haass and the editor of "the new yorker" david remnick. senator, and the congressman, let me begin with you, whether the subject should be read his miranda rights or enemy cobah abouts. also, the fact that his travel back to his hometown, that was a muslim area, could have been radicalized -- >> that was his brother. >> that was his brother, though, that's correct. we're talking about the two of them together, as to what happened and why it happened. and i think, we got to keep that option open until we find out whether or not there was a connection to the terrorist organization. >> do you agree?

>> i'll agree, there is no question. the public safety exception is that we should utilize and that we should get all of the information available to us. >> how long does that public safety exception hold? even though the guy is lying flat on his back in a hospital bed? >> obviously, there are some communications right now because he can't talk. obviously, we can do some other things. we still, i believe, have enough evidence, i don't think we can solely arrive on mirandizing this candidate. he's clearly one of those individuals we have, what we need to do is collect the evidence, turn it over to the u.s. attorney, prosecute him to fullest extent of the law. >> you don't think he should be treated as an enemy combatant going forward? >> no, no. >> unless there's a link. >> mayor menino mentioned that he may be never be able to talk. information on his wounds? >> information we have,

there was a shot to the throat and it's questionable whether -- whether he'll be able to talk again, doesn't mean he can't communicate. right now, he's in a condition where they can't get any information from him. >> thank you very much. let's talk about the terrorist threat we're facing right now. martha raddatz, the possibility of connection to overseas groups or al qaeda connection? no evidence of that yet, but that could be the nightmare scenario. >> it is. that's where they're focused on now. whether there's an overseas connection, in terms of where the older brother got any training there, i think we have to talk about these missing years in a way, the russians alerted the u.s. that he was radicalized, that he was involved in groups, somewhere over there, they believed. that was 2011 when the fbi investigated. >> at the request of the russians? >> at the request of the russians.

then he goes back. what happened before 2011? to alert the russians? was it visiting internet sites? a specific group they were concerned about they knew he was communicating with? those missing years are what their going to concentrate on and whether they that continued. >> and david remnick, you spent a lot of time in russia for "the washington post." everybody's going to be looking at these six months. we know that his parents went back to live in russia for some time. from the mother, we also heard that the fbi was on top on tamerlan for several years. >> the parents moved back to dagestan, because the father wants to die there, he's very, very sick. that's the circumstance, as far as we know. we have no link between the parents and anything like the jihadist interest at all. in fact, they seem to be utterly shocked and in disbelief. the older brother had been visiting jihadist websites. i spent friday looking at

his youtube list is extremely frightening, ominous websites, pro-al qaeda. going on of the evils of the magic of harry potter. the twitter feed of the younger brother, has hints of this kind of thing as well. so, there is no question that they weren't merely religious, they were but interested in jihadist struggle, global jihadist. the slogan in that region, in dagestan and in chechnya -- >> although, a statement coming out today from one of groups in dagestan, saying our enemy is not the united states, our enemy is russia. richard haass, that area hot bed of various islamic cells. but the main fight for the chechens in dagestan has been against the russian leadership. >> that's true. terrorism can be global but also local. historically it was much more

local than international. so, i think the chechen connection is probably secondary here. you don't have to travel to be influenced by what is going on in the world. the internet does it all for you. so, i think -- yeah, the foreign connection is important. probably more important is the alienation and the vulnerable of these kind of young people in the united states but they're not integrated into the american society. what this remains me of the 2005 london bombings, where you have young muslim, grew up in britain, they went to british schools, they had some foreign connections to pakistan but they were alienated from society. we, as americans need to look very hard to make sure this thing doesn't happen and the leaders of these communities protect us from them. >> what do they get when they're radicalized? they get this sense of importance, this sense of mission. they fit in themselves. >> they play out a fantasy of fury and romantic nationalism

for a place they never really lived. in fact, if it's chechen nationalism or some global jihad they're interested in, there's no sense that these kids are well read in this. or well versed. >> is especially the young brother. >> he spent most of his time in america. >> the connection between their rather idiotic interest and the evil acts they carried out -- >> let me bring it back to the legislators here. the member of senate -- you have been able to develop any information that gives you a better sense of when this moment of radicalization occurred? >> well, that's what's being investigated right now and as everything is being searched. all of the intelligence agencies are playing in this, trying to find out whether there's a connection, it's a really important step that needs to be made. if there's a connection, whether

or not there is, isn't, i think what happened here, the signal have been sent. those who want to harm americans it is that we'll do everything we can to prevent this from happening. if you take on america, america is going to take you on. it's not just the intelligence agencies and the law enforcement. i commend the coordination that pulled this thing together. but, it's americans, the runners in the race ran to help the victims, boston response was extraordinary, like new york post 9/11. the signal is -- don't mess with you, we'll chase you to the ends of earth if we have to. >> the problem is, they were just in the neighborhood. >> one of the problems, george, how do you deal with people who are already in this country, how do you deal with their radicalization? is it on the internet? is it their associations with other friends? that's something we're having to

deal with every day. we have dealt with international terrorists trying to get here. we can't spend enough money to defend ourselves against that, we'll go broke as a nation. that continues to be a day in, day out struggle. >> one of the questions that come up, perhaps, that more cities should do what new york does, and invest in a lot more counterterrorism on the ground. but, then that could get you very quickly into questions of civil liberties you start keeping eyes on neighborhoods. >> you're right. but new york is one of the main beneficiaries of federal dollars. if not for the federal dollars it would be very difficult for new york to be as robust as they are. >> yeah, we can't lock up every young man who goes on a fantastical or nasty website, that becomes a big difficulty. in fact, we knew about this guy.

>> the fbi talked to him in 2011. >> the parents readily admitted this in their interviews in dagestan. >> i assume in 2012, no one was tracking him when he returned. and if he visited chechnya what he was doing there. if you had that red flag raised i think you have to question why wasn't he followed up? >> you need a longterm strategy for terrorism. what happened in boston isn't the exception. this isn't a one-off. this is glimpse of the future. this is terrorism that one, two, three people can carry out. we live in a world where powers diffused. you don't need to do something on the scale of 9/11. that turns out much less difficult to find out about. >> it was extremely a crude operation. thank god, even people standing right next to the little boy who died, were relatively unscathed.

>> if he was trained in dagestan, it wasn't high-level training. >> they did have other weaponry and some other bombs were discovered. but senator, what do you do, though, if no connection to a specific group is found? irn stead, we just find that these young men were inspired by al qaeda but not directed? that's almost impossible to find? >> well, it is. and that's the reality of the world we are now living in, because not only do we terrorism from abroad, we face these lone wolfs. that has revengance, a demented mind or radicalized over the internet. we're going to continue to have to understand that this is a threat to america.

we need to be engaged in not only looking out for this thing, identify and see it. a kid in the classroom who is -- >> he wasn't a loner. he wasn't a loner. >> you're not going to stop every one of these. >> the notion is, unless you get the public buy in, the public absolutely has to understand that to address this nexus in terrorism they'll have to participate. if they see something out of to ordinary, they'll have to report it. if they don't report it, then potentially we'll miss an opportunity to identify someone. >> but that gets to a bigger question that was raised this week, one of the things that we saw in the wake of the bombings on monday, lot of people said things, lot of false information was being put out, we saw the both to the benefit of crowd sourcing, but also, the perils of it. look at the front page of "the new york post," just the other

day, there are two young men who had nothing to do with terrorism, "nightline" spoke to one of them after the fact. >> you just did this? how could you do this? why would you even do that? you got so many people. you killed an 8-year-old. but, if you look at it, it wasn't me. >> he had nothing to do with it. and david remnick -- >> it's outrageous behavior. i have some sympathy what happened to cnn. they are all day long. they got what they legitimate sourcing telling them there was an arrest. they turned out to be wrong, they corrected their mistake, this is something slapping on the front page of the newspaper of something not confidence at all. it harms someone's life. i give that guy a lot of credit to go on television and talk to you. that takes courage. >> actually, rupert murdoch said all of pictures were those

distributed by the fbi. instantly withdrawn when the fbi changed direction. >> it was a lousy excuse. >> take responsibility and apologize? >> you bet. >> but how do we deal with this going forward, because we'll see this again and again and again. it's so easy to get that bad information out there so quickly. >> we actually need what the military do, we need to look at the question of lockdown, did boston about properly? how did the law enforcement cooperation go? i think journalists, media, people on the internet, need to look at what they did normal standards apply? how do you remain competitive at the same time remain responsible? we're actually, again, this is the future, it's now coming to the present. and what we're going to have to do is, we need to think through

as a society, how we're going to keep ourselves safe. >> martha, i felt some blowback on friday, we were on the air from 4:00 p.m. to-- a.m. to 3:0 p.m. and then, again n the everybodying, lot of people saying to me personally, why do you guys keep talking? why do you give the attention? >> first of all, you had the entire city lockdown. you had to. you had this horrific event. frankly, everyone was glued to the television. everyone wanted to know what was happening. we have to be careful. we all have to be careful. i take the lesson of a former intelligence officer who said when i was a young man my dad took me deer hunting and we were laying there and looked out and my dad turned to me and said, son, when you go deer hunting, everything starts looking like a deer. so, we have to be careful, we have to make sure that we don't

have a confirmation bias that we want something to happen. cnn made a mistake. law enforcement made a mistake. they said there was an explosion at the jfk library. >> some speculation this was domestic terrorism, domestically inspired. >> i worked with colin powell, he said that first reports are never complete and never accurate. not a bad thing to remember. >> how about the question of the locking down the city of boston, congressman? you saw the mayor right there saying it was absolutely justified? >> what terrorists want to do, one of the things, other than the physical harm is the economic harm, that one day's loss of income for that area is in the hundreds of millions of dollars. so in some instance, the terrorists win there, and what we have to do is come up with the after action report. i think clearly, once we do

that, there might be some alternatives. i won't second guess the governor and the mayor what they did. but one of the goals of terrorists is economic terrorism and if you look at it from that perspective they succeeded. >> and i take the mayor at his word that were reports and possibilities of another bombing. these guys were still at large. but there is this question whether an entire city should be shut down because that's what terrorists want. also, an entire city is frozen with fear and anxiety, and it's horrible to say, but this is a great success for terrorism. >> this after action report, we have seen in other instances, new york city, after the times square bombings did not lock down. we saw that renegade former cop in l.a. terrorizing people. d.c. snipers, the cities did not lock down. >> disruption is one of the

goals of terrorists, they succeeded temporarily in this case. but you got to keep people safe. that's why it's so important to figure this out for the long-term. again, this is coming back. what's scary about this is how relatively easy this is. and if these guys can go on the internet, to use primitive devices about it, the attention they garner is going to garner copy-cat incidents. how do we make ourselves more resilience? how do we protect ousts? how do we get better at bouncing back? >> it comes at a time where the al qaeda leadership top to bottom has been decimated. >> which i think is frightening in a way because of exactly what happened. because they have these fragmented groups, these splintered groups, we can't prevent attacks on soft targets. we can't. we found ourselves this week,

looking around, it can happen. not 100%. again, people talking about let's get to the root of this, what happened to these young men? is there anything we can do there? i don't know the answer to that. i just know you can't 100% prevent these attacks. >> senator, you were talking about the effect of legislature. one of the suggestions from were op of your colleagues from iowa is, we should put the immigration reform effort on hold until we know a lot more. >> i agree with the senator. >> why? >> you usually end up with bad policy if you end up doing it with an emotional reaction. we saw some things post9/11, that were enacted, if we had more rational time to think this through, we would haven't had some of the pushback on it. more importantly, immigration is an issue that has dramatic economic effect on americans.

i think stepping back a little bit and putting it on hold, we have a bigger issue on immigration in front of us and it's our deficit. we have a broken system that needs to be reformed. i'm afraid we'll rush through some judgments related to immigration and how it's processed. >> george, with respect, i think that as bad an idea as calling this enemy combatant. we have 100% rate of prosecuting terrorists. i think that's the bad idea on the senator mccain. i think the idea of delaying immigration reform, if you ask involved in immigration, this is a horrible idea to take this isolated, horrible, evil incident and make it stand for a larger politics and put immigration reform, put the brakes on that. >> congressman? >> it's not the right thing to do. we're a nation of immigrants. i trust our government. we vet people up and down. we review policies every day.

but to put it on hold is not in >> i agree with the congressman. they'll deal with 11 million, 12 million people in this country who are still living in the shadows. we need to integrate all americans in society. we want to main stream them. i think we should move it faster. we thought about this for years, economically but also in terms of our national security, this bill will help make america safer. that's one of the lessons that we out to take from it, alienated young people, dangerous thing. >> last word? >> just push it back a month or two, let the emotions settle down. let us do it in a rational way, make good judgments not based on the urgency of the moment. congress has a way of rushing to judgments without thinking it through carefully.

we're talking months here, a few weeks, not years. it needs to be done. >> thank you all for a very thoughtful discussion. coming up, author dennis lehane, on the spirit of his hometown, in our "sunday spotlight." lehane, on the spirit of his hometown in our "sunday spotlight."

now, we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice overseas. this week, the pentagon released the names of two soldiers killed in afghanistan. and we'll be back with a tribute to boston from its best-selling author dennis lehane. best-selling author dennis lehane.

finally today, our "sunday spotlight" shining on the city of boston. a city galvanized under siege. its spirit captured by the native son, dennis lehane. >> i have been proud to be from boston my whole life. i don't think i have been proud

as i have been this week. the thing that will stick with me the rest of my life is the plot of these brothers failed within two seconds of the first explosion, because the objective of terror is to rattle the populous, it's to make them paralyzed with fear and to see all of these civilians run toward the blast, to help their fellow civilians, to help their fellow bostonians, their fellow members of the human race, was one of the most beautiful things that i have ever seen. it was one of the great acts of heroism that i have ever witnessed. the other thing that was really striking to me was to walk through the streets was to see how many people were hugging. i saw a lot of that. we're a city that values civil discourse and civil liberties. at the same time, we have this pugnacious pride, romantic underdog, if you're going to hit me, you better hit me very, very hard or i won't go down. we are red sox fans for a century.

it's a tough people. >> we are one. we are boston. we are strong. >> there actually is a joke going around right now on the internet. boston is such a tough city that, if you mess with it, they'll shut the entire city down until they find you. nobody's walking away from this, nobody's going to escape. we're going to catch you and then we're going to throw you in jail and throw away the key and move on with our lives. i got a couple of texts from friends that were the same texts they messed with the wrong city, i think the citizens of this city, we're not going to change. whatever your objective was, whatever you thought you were going to do to our city, it's not going to change. going to the marathon next year, i think there are going to be twice as many people there. i think it's going to be euphoric. we took a punch and we got right back again.

>> suspect in custody! >> when it came back we got him, euphoria, relief and you could see a sense of vindication, of justice prevailing, of our values trumping very corrupt values. i think you could feel that. it felt wonderful. good for boston. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out david muir tonight and i'll see you on "good morning america" tomorrow. ♪ [ chanting "usa" ] ♪ what so proudly we hailed ed ♪

>> in the news this sunday new information on the boston bombing suspect as a mass is held for the victims. and runners take part in the london marathon this morning. how they honored the boston victims before the race. >> from our sutro cam you see the clear sky over san francisco. 55 degrees aim additional warming today will bring temperatures well above normal. i'll have the forecast next on